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Australian Trade Agreement Threatens US Small Dair
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RichZ    Posted 01-27-2004 at 07:15:50       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Please read this, this is a real threat to small Amreican dairy farms:



Dave in Mo    Posted 01-28-2004 at 10:10:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
That story sounds like a lot of bullsh*t to me. I was down in Melbourne about a year ago for a while and the Aussie dollar was 55 cents to the U.S. dollar. It's NOW about 80 cents to our dollar.....making it a lot harder for them to export to us. And our dollar has been devalued again. (It's another reason the Europeans are going nuts over us.)
Australia is country of about 20 million people with the economic engine the size of the state of Illinois.


geo in MI    Posted 01-27-2004 at 13:29:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
  "The National Milk Producers Federation, headquartered in Arlington, VA, develops and carries out policies that advance the well-being of U.S. dairy producers and the cooperatives they collectively own. The members of NMPF's 32 cooperatives produce the majority of the U.S. milk supply, making NMPF the voice of 60,000 dairy producers on Capitol Hill and with government agencies."


JD-Tractor in NY    Posted 01-27-2004 at 18:02:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
I have no connection to the dairy industry whatever!!However I believe this deal is about the worst idea the bush administration has come up with other than to go back to the moon or try to go to mars and I voted for bush. They must thing the dairy products are going to majically get to the states!! Just the waste of fuel to ship it here makes it stupid.The reasons that the politicians are promoting it are stupid and who is The president looking out for us American citizians or the world.?How are they going to insure the safety of these dairy products when they can't even get scallions here without being contaminated and that was close by? Bush took an oath of office to protect,defend and uphold the constitution of the united States for the good of it's citizens!!He ,They (the Government) all selling us down the river ,someone needs to revisit his oath and make him live up to it.The problem is that there are no honest politicians out there on either side the democrats are spending good money promising us pie in the sky knowing damn well they can't deliver on thoes promises either !!


deadcarp    Posted 01-27-2004 at 12:27:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
when we were in australia, there were groups who were all up in arms about u.s. price supports. then it was revealed that when their sheep market was in trouble, they got compensated by their own govt like $35/head for the darn things! so the ewnt back to work.

think about it, are not govts obligated to create conditions in which taxpayers can prosper? course they are - their livelihood depends on it. but politics is a dirty business so you'll see all kindsa nice gimmicks from politicians, especially in election years. beyond that it's all half-truths ("we'll pay for senior prescriptions" - well sure, starting in 2006!) and rattle, purposely manipulated and twisted to suit who? the wallets of the authors. :)



Alias again    Posted 01-27-2004 at 11:37:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
I think, according to what I've read here, is that some of you are missing my point. This thing with world trade does not relvove around one man or one political party. It started way back when we first became a nation and it has continued ever since. Furthermore, it's not going away anytime soon. Now, I don't like the idea of the labels in my shirts stating that it was made in China. I don't like to see Toyota and Honda cars on the highway. And I'd be just as happy if Kabota kept their tractors. But, I can't do much about it and bellyaching about the President won't make things any better. So, my advise is, if you don't like G.W. Bush, vote against him. But, Think before you cast your ballot. And, ask yourself if the next guy will do any better. What ever you do, make your decision based on what you know rather than what someone tells you. I close by saying, down with spin doctors on both sides....including Rush Limbaugh.......gfp


Stormie    Posted 01-27-2004 at 13:32:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
I think this time you made your a point a little clearer.

Of course people are going to complain about the President when something like this is proposed. This is being brought before the government. He is the leader of the governement. Thats how it goes. I think it was mentioned before that no matter what party you affiliate yourself with, you should be concerned. I don't think the orignal post was meant to bash the president. I think is was meant to be informative. Fortunatly, I did get something from it and did not use it as a means to vent at others who oppose Bush. Just becasue you don't agree with what others have said about Bush, please try to keep an open mind and an open heart to those who may suffer from this type of trading.

One of the beautiful things about living in the US is we have the freedom to say what we feel about our Government. What a boring message board this would be without it:>)

Forever A Conservitive Independent Republicrat

Stormie


well    Posted 01-27-2004 at 14:52:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
you ought to be proud that your party tried to run an energy bill through that would among other things, protect the oil companies from the damage MTBE has caused since it has been used in reformulated gas. I lived in Ca at that time, and there are thousands of people that had it seep into their wells making them useless. Numerous cars that burned up because of the damage it done to gas lines. And, as long as interest rates are kept low, to keep this economy from sinking again, the price of oil is going to keep going up as it is tied to the value of the dollar, which has hit the tank. Not bashing anyone,just don't get yourself tied into one party, they are not always right. Also, they don't give a damn about you or me.
REt


Stormie    Posted 01-28-2004 at 05:26:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
I hope your not talking to me becasue I am not sure how you think you can tell from my posts what party I am for. I am aware of the fact that ALL parties have faults. You are totally off the subject anyway. Like I said before the person who posted this meant for it to be informative. I don't think he meant for it to be used as a political soapbox.


Coaltrain    Posted 01-27-2004 at 12:11:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
I have to agree somewhat. But on the other hand NAFTA was what started it all world trade and competing with 3rd world wages. Now if we were importers trading in millions a day making 10% per trade we probable wouldn't be unhappy or if we were selling our inherited land by the foot. We may have went to the old school but many still buy the cheapest which is more than likely made without our labor force other than trucking and handeling. Here on our farm we do the best to buy US made which is almost impossiable. Carhart no more levis no more wranglers (lost 1500 jobs here in OK just this year).


Brian-2N    Posted 01-27-2004 at 09:18:50       [Reply]  [Send Email]
You know, last year dairy farms declined in just about every state, and there were numerous herd buyouts, with the intention of driving up the price, because the price was at a 25 year low. The MILC program does not cover the losses diary farmers are incurring, so the unlucky ones drop out instead of being bought out. I'm for free trade, but if this is true, it's ludicrous.


Larry806    Posted 01-27-2004 at 08:27:37       [Reply]  [No Email]
Did you also report when The jerk fron Ar opened the door for the Dutch to come here with BIG goverment subsidy They can borrow money from the US for 2% There putting 700 to 5000 cow dairy "factory" The Germans put egg factorys in & put hundreds of americna family's out of business They hire wet backs That all happened around here thanks to the joke from Hope


RichZ    Posted 01-27-2004 at 08:35:23       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Look, Larry. I admit Bush isn't my guy, but I'm just letting people know that this is something that will hurt farmers. If a democrat came up with something like this it would put me up in arms just as much, but the fact is, right now Bush is doing this. I'm not out to bash him here, just to let the farming community know what is happening.

Maybe you're not a farmer of have no interest in farming, so you think it won't hurt you and you don't care. But, I am a farmer, and this might have a real bad effect on me, my family, and my friends and neighbors.


Coaltrain    Posted 01-27-2004 at 08:21:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
The dairymen were talking about this a few weeks back Bush was pushing this bill for Australian emports because they were financial struggling by helping in the war. What I would like to know is the direction he is heading the US and the end results. Our population is climbing, our (the US) debt load is soaring the elder cannot get health care or afford medecine. We are shipping jobs overseas by the thousands bringing in workers. Just how lucky you are not how well you managed or how dedicated you were can change in a heart beat.


Stormie    Posted 01-27-2004 at 08:06:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
I recently read Bush has decided to import sugar beets as well. I am sure this will not be as big of an economic impact as dairy, but I just wanted to point out the trend. I know it will hurt both dairy farms and sugar beet farms in my area.


sarah    Posted 01-27-2004 at 07:53:31       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Yup, Bush sure is our friend!!! He really cares about us and our livelihoods- NOT!!


Alias    Posted 01-27-2004 at 08:06:41       [Reply]  [No Email]
Just like I allus said, Bush is responsible for everything. He makes the rivers to over flow their banks and causes small animals to freeze in the snow. And, it's high time we got back at him. So, let's get someone to write an unfounded, unprovable article which states that trade will hurt dairy farmers. It doesn't matter whether it true or not. All we're interested in is pulling more votes for our party.


RichZ    Posted 01-27-2004 at 08:24:52       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Alias, I'm trying real hard NOT to make this political. My feelings about Bush are pretty well known on this forum, but that is not the point. The point is that WHOEVER is responsible for this agreement, it's real bad for the small dairy farmers of America, and can have very devestating effects on our country. It can cause 1/4 of the US small dairy farms to fail. Their land may be sold to development. They will not buy agricultural machinery, or feed, or anything. It will have a domino effect. This agreement is bad, and should be stopped, no matter what your political affiliation is.

Some things are bad, no matter who thought them up. And even the best people have bad ideas. I'm not trying to bash Bush, I'm trying to let people know that this is a bad thing. So lighten up with the political defense on the president. OK?


Stormie    Posted 01-27-2004 at 08:24:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
You sound bitter. I don't think it matters what side of the political fence you are on. I can understand why Dairy farmers are fearful of this news. I am sure a lot of time and research went into these statements. Where are the statements that show what the positive effects on US dairy farmers would be? I would like to read them as well.


RichZ    Posted 01-27-2004 at 08:29:07       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Thanks, Stormie!! My point exactly.

In my case I'm not a cow dairy farmer, but I raise bred heiffers for dairy farms, and this will hurt a good part of my farming business. I'm also starting a goat dairy, and I think it may hurt that as well.

But the domino effect of this whole thing can be devastating to the agricultural community.


Stormie    Posted 01-27-2004 at 08:46:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
I agree with you 100% My husband and I are not farmers of any sort. However we have grown up in a farming community and worked on many farms when we were young. This would effect people all over the country and that is exactly who this country should be concerned about. This country just keeps watching jobs and goods be imported and exported over seas. This kind of trend will create a very serious hardship on the U.S. Hopefully more people will look at this with an open mind and not assume it is an attack on any political party.


Coaltrain    Posted 01-27-2004 at 08:43:53       [Reply]  [No Email]
All good points here! The domino affect is traveling at the speed of light and there seems to be nothing we can do about it. I watched so called progess here in Okla. takes its toll quickely. The fast easy $$$$$$ for those chosen few quickley dissapers and then we all suffer.


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