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Taylor Lambert    Posted 01-28-2004 at 18:15:58       [Reply]  [No Email]
A few days ago a good friend of mine that has a logging outfit had a run in with the law and took a severe beating. My friend was going into Tennessee the day before yesterday and was in his log truck and had let his blood sugar get too low. He ran a car off the road and 2 MS deputies got behind him and he got into Tennessee. Where the Tennesee deputies had the road block along with a highway patrol. My friend is a good sized fella about 6' 6'' and 300 pounds. He was slumped over the wheel when he got the truck stopped and tried to open his door. They police officers drug him out and got him on the ground and stomped him with out restraining him. He had his wallet out showing his health card with Diabetes and his medic alert bracelet. The witnesses said hi didnt offer to fight back and the cops still whipped him good. The MS deputies saw pat of this. then they got stopped his brother who had been called was in the arean and intervened He asked them if they had been trained in proper procedure and the highway patrol billy clubbed him to. They both went to the hospital. The drivers blod sugar was 27 and no drugs or alcohol were present. The highway patrol did try to drag his wife and daughter out of the room whilethe nurse was giving the bloodtest. The brother brought him back to the local hospital here and got the same results. the bad part about it the police did all this infront of 20 folks. I went to see my friend today and he wasnt recognizable with his face bue and swelled and all his fingers had been stomped. The FBL is in town right now theres a big stink. I hate to hear it for the highway patrol and deputies I know their famillies will suffer over this even. My friends wife is sueing the state and county over it and wants the officers involved punished as well.
I heard a person today saying it shouldnt be pursued just let go. The whole chase didnt get over 15 MPH and the fella was trying to get to a stoore to get a candy bar. the dr. says he was close to going into a diabetic coma. I guess my biggest question is what actions do yall think should be taken against the county or the sheriffs department.


A-FARMALL    Posted 01-29-2004 at 17:38:36       [Reply]  [No Email]
As true born TENNESSEEN, Take my warning to all out of state folks stay clear of this state ,Remeber the family from North Carolina whose pet dog was shot last summer on I-40 east of Nashville by,our dumb state trooper.And by the way they are even rough on us local folks to...


Jon(WI)    Posted 01-29-2004 at 12:35:15       [Reply]  [No Email]
Taylor, I would persue it legally. The actions of the state police sound unreasonable. Then we are only hearing his side of the story. Also, those that were forced off the road may have been hurt and could easily sue for damages. Apparently your friend will lose his CDL more.


Gene SC    Posted 01-29-2004 at 12:31:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
Makes no difference if he accidently let his
blood sugar get low or was under the influ.
of some other substance. The law has NO legal
authority to use ANY force on any person who
is not resisting. SUE, SUE, SUE!!!!!!!


~Lenore    Posted 01-29-2004 at 07:48:35       [Reply]  [No Email]
Medical issue aside; I agree all diabetics should carry an emergency sugar cube or candy bar with them.
...but my question is where are all the media types that played the Rodney King thing each and every time the police have to stop him and arrest him? King fought the police; evidently this man did not. Taylor, did it even make the local newspapers?


Taylor Lambert    Posted 01-29-2004 at 20:20:30       [Reply]  [No Email]
Lenore I read the article today and it said he didnt run the car off the road that they had just reported eratic driving. He usually kept candy in the truck but he picked up a replacement truck and trailer at his farm and didnt have any in that truck.
Cindi In MS you cant have a CDL after being caught insulin deppendant for 20 years He has been on medication for it but a few months ago he had to go on insulin but wouldnt be allowed to get a health card in 2005 or till a near accident. After this I dont think he has to worry about driving a truck any more he ''l just have to supervise his crews. And as 95 percent of all fatalities involving a commercial vehicle 0nly 4.5 percent are caused by the trucks. Commercial liscenes are strict. I have to woory that when i get a ticket in my car it goes on the CDL to. Drug screenings, health cards strict logging records truck inspections and the bloody like. my brother works for an accident investigation company and there more suv's and pssengercars with worse tires than a lot of trucks I know of.


but they don't    Posted 01-30-2004 at 06:36:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
weigh 80,000#


steve19438    Posted 01-29-2004 at 07:28:14       [Reply]  [Send Email]
in PA you cannpt legally get a CDL if you are a insulin dependent diabetic. (oral meds ok) why this guy didn't have a candy bar or some juice with him is inexcuseable. i keep a couple of candy bars in all my vehicles or a can of soda always!!! yes i am diabetic.
the COPS were wrong! diabetes is most likely the least/wrongly understood diesease in this country.


Newgen    Posted 01-29-2004 at 07:51:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
Steve I'm pretty sure that's a federal law (and a good one at that}, not just a Pa. state law.


steve19438    Posted 01-29-2004 at 09:18:39       [Reply]  [Send Email]
i've had diabetes for over 20 yrs. and have yet to miss a day of work because of it. i monitor regularly and have good control. what i would like to know is why i cannot get a CDL and a person with a pacemaker can???????????????????


Jon(WI)    Posted 01-29-2004 at 12:29:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
Steve, you should be asking the question "are the people that were run off the road OK?" Given the size and weight, hundreds of thousand lbs. of vehicle and cargo weight, only the most physically and mentally capable should be driving them. I take my hat off to all truck drivers. Getting their CDL is no easy matter. Laws are there to protect themselves and the rest of us on open highways. Live with it!!!


Mac/MS    Posted 01-29-2004 at 07:21:29       [Reply]  [Send Email]
If I'm doing wrong the law has a right to stop me, if I try to harm them they have the right to defend themselves but if they beat me or hit me everyone involved will answer to me at a later time one on one. That is no brag just fact.


VADAVE    Posted 01-29-2004 at 06:31:41       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Tennesse is a bunch of "hillbilies), but most of the hillbillies I know have more common sense then city slickers. No this is bullshit and being bullies. Get the name of EVERY "officer", their leaders--Lt., Capt., all the way to the chief and the county politicans. Put each and every one of these people in the poorhouse. Then gp after the political organization that allows these kind ofg people to be hired. These two individuals should walk out owning the county and half the state, literally.
Make sure they get a good lawyer because the pressure to back off will just get higher.
Of course there are going to be statements that this should just be forgotten--because the speakers know the position the police and politicans are in.
These people believe that that they are protecting and serving; NOT. They will not see theerror until they are personnally hurt. This is not Irag, Afganistan or Russia where a police states existed and the populus feared the police.


Stormie    Posted 01-29-2004 at 06:08:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
I have tried to find any information about this incident and haven't found a thing. I agree that some law enforcement officals abuse their authority. If this statement is all true then I would say they should all be in serious trouble. I think it is also time for your friend to look for a new line of work or make sure that he keeps his sugar in check. I understand how difficult it is to live with this illness. I hope justice prevails.


Les    Posted 01-29-2004 at 05:11:39       [Reply]  [No Email]
The first thing you should do is call Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.
This is a racial thing isn't it?


Cindi    Posted 01-29-2004 at 04:03:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
There's a little thing called 'chain of events'. Without all the links in the chain, this whole event would never have happened. I want to know why a man with diabetes is driving a truck this size, with this medical condition and doesn't have a few candy bars stuck in the glove box.

Is it any less a crime to drive medically impaired than it is to drive drunk? Think about it. It's about responsibility, and what set the chain of events in action.

As to the actions of the officers, yes it was wrong. But if you think about it, who's the first one on the scene when a mother with three kids gets taken out by a drunk driver? That's bound to have a lingering impact. I can almost read those officer's thoughts. 'Here's one damed drunk that isn't going to get a chance to kill anybody.' I think we expect too much of cops, they are only human. Who's to say they hadn't just left the scene of an accident where they had to pry a four year old mangled child from a crumpled vehicle that had been slammed into by a drunk.

In their eyes the most plausible explanation was that they were dealing with a drunk driver. And in effect, THEY WERE. It's one thing to be driving along and have a heart attack and take out three or four more innocent drivers. It's another to get behind the wheel of a vehicle knowing you have to monitor your blood sugar and not being prepared. Sorry, that's just my opinion and I'm probably wrong but there it is.

I hope he heals well and goes on to keep driving, but after this maybe he will think about keeping his medical needs in mind before he gets behind the wheel and not drive, in effect, drunk.


Guilty    Posted 01-29-2004 at 05:46:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
So you're saying that everyone should be treated as if they are drunk or on drugs, regardless? Your statement also implies that everyone is "guilty" until proven innocent? Hmmmm.

RY


Newgen    Posted 01-29-2004 at 06:41:53       [Reply]  [No Email]
Nowhere in Cindi's post did she use the term "guilty until proven innocent"--I think the term she used was "RESPONSIBILITY". I agree, the police were totally wrong in the way they handled the situation ACCORDING TO THE INFORMATION WE HAVE HERE-but also ACCORDING TO THE INFORMATION WE HAVE HERE the driver knew of his condition and should have been prepared. Maybe you would feel differently if you or one of your loved ones had been driving the car he ran off the road. Ya think??


Jon(WI)    Posted 01-29-2004 at 12:41:39       [Reply]  [No Email]
Got that right. Interesting that the condition of the occupants of the car are not mentioned here. The truck driver must have found out but did not convey this to the above friend.


Cindi    Posted 01-29-2004 at 08:43:29       [Reply]  [No Email]
I should have stressed more that the cops were wrong. Clearly they were. I just see any easy way that the whole thing could have been avoided.

I don't want it to be left up to a cop whether or not I deserve to be punished. But without being there and not seeing the whole thing, who knows exactly what happened although the results could have been much more tragic. The guy could have killed himself for example and God knows how many other people.

I couldn't be a cop, at the end of every day the jail would be full and my ticket book would be empty.



Cindi    Posted 01-29-2004 at 06:04:44       [Reply]  [No Email]
No, I'm saying that the preponderance of the evidence at hand implicated an impaired driver. Regardless of the reason, and if you've ever lost anyone to a drunk driver it gets a little harder to be understanding as time goes by.

Like I said before, the cops went over the line.



Jim in Minn    Posted 01-29-2004 at 12:44:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
"Cops went over the line" Would really like to read the articles in that next days newspaper and follow up stories. Maybe someone in the area could post them?


Dennis/    Posted 01-28-2004 at 20:53:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
"My friend was going into Tennessee the day before yesterday and was in his log truck and had let his blood sugar get too low."

A person driving a logging truck with this health condition (low blood sugar) scares me to death.

BUT The treatment wasn't right. Is there a newspaper article written about it?


Redneck    Posted 01-29-2004 at 01:46:10       [Reply]  [No Email]
No doubt that he needed to have had food/medicine for his condition at hand, but anyone driving anything (not only a log truck) in that condition should also.

If this had been a black drug user messed up on crack and fought the law, it would have been on cnn frontpage news nationwide, but let it happen to a working man(God forbid he is a logger)and it will get swept under the rug. I hope he owns the state when it is settled. After I got rich I would make sure they got their due punishment too. There is a rash of brash, undertrained, macho cops that needs to be doing other things for a living.


Willy-N    Posted 01-28-2004 at 22:47:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
In Washington at least you can't get a CDL Licence if you are Diabetic, High Blood Presure 160/91 or those high numbers on either side and a few other medical problems. I know I just took my CDL physical today and Doc said you better get your blood presure down. It was 150 over 90 which is high. He wants me to have it checked again next week. I am not sure if it was me freaking out that when they just checked my vision I had a real hard time reading the chart with my left eye and started worring big time. I guess I better start doing some real excersize for the old ticker and get off this computer more. Mark H.


steve19438    Posted 01-29-2004 at 07:23:25       [Reply]  [Send Email]
type in AMSLER CHART in your seach engine. print one and see how your eyes are.


Juliana    Posted 01-28-2004 at 19:45:36       [Reply]  [Send Email]
SUE! SUE! SUE! There is NO reason they should have done what they did. A good lawyer can handle this on a contigencey (SP?) fee and they will both be rich! I'm ex-law enforcement too. Keep us posted as to what happenes and speedy recovery to your friend. TAKE PICTUES WITH TIME AND DATE.


Hang 'em high    Posted 01-28-2004 at 19:29:55       [Reply]  [No Email]
All of the officers that were involved should loose their jobs, spend a couple years in jail and never be permitted to own a gun again!

I'd take 'em for all I could get. If the courts didn't seek justice...then I would.

Get their names, find there place of residence, find them off duty and take care of business.

There is no excuse for such behavior, if it were a member of my family, especially my children that would have that happen to them, the cops involved would be lucky if they were able to make it to the hearing!

This really burns me!!!

RY


i am a diabetic.....    Posted 01-28-2004 at 19:13:15       [Reply]  [Send Email]
and i have posted my e-mail addy for anyone that has questions about this kind of thing.
i found out i was diabetic when i was 27.i was put on insulin and pills.i had a insulin reaction shortly after i got out of the hospital and wrecked my truck. a neighbor found me and took me home.the MO STATE HIGHWAY PATROL hunted me down and asked what had happened. i told the officer what had happened to me and he accused me of being drunk.after i explainded to him he instructed me to TAKE MY MEDICENE!
what an A-HOLE!
i later went on to become a deputy for the county.
i always made sure i had the whole story before making a judgement!
i want no sympathy,but if you ain't got diabetes you don't know how it feels.
it's scary to not be in control of your body.
i feel for these folks,and i am afraid if i lived where they lived i would be at that cop shop wanting some answers!........sorry for the attitude......i just know how it feels.....PP


Dave Munson    Posted 01-28-2004 at 19:08:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
Your questions was "what actions do ya ll think should be taken against the county or the sheriffs department."

What gives the officers special status above the very laws of this country they have sworn to protect and serve?

If you or I did it, there would be a trial and we would go to jail if guilty would we not? Twenty witnesses? Jail.


marlowe    Posted 01-28-2004 at 18:29:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
go after them for all they got just one more case of cops out of control. this same thing happend to a good friend of mine in N.C.and he was in a coma for 12 days and will never drive truck again. DON"T BACK OFF


Ron,Ar    Posted 01-28-2004 at 18:23:15       [Reply]  [No Email]
We had a funeral here yesterday for a 33 year old who went into a diabetic coma and never recovered. The whole story stinks. What happened to "to protect and serve"


Taylor Lambert    Posted 01-28-2004 at 18:39:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
What bothered me was the officer thrying to make his wife and daughter leave him i nthe room alone with him. His brother told them they'd name the county after him. I have a few friends tht are cops and they said its getting more and more common we had 2 cases of and officer using pepper spray on a handcuffed person.


Pitch    Posted 01-29-2004 at 05:48:30       [Reply]  [No Email]
This is mostly for Cindi. I can understand your thinking about the officers train of thought, but that is not good enough. I understand that if you deal with the scum of the earth every working day and witness things that no human should have to see you will sometimes react in an inappropriate fashion. I also believe that the police have to be held to a much higher standard than the rest of us. When I was a kid I was taught as most of us were that the police were there to be our friends and protectors and that we could count on them without question. I could not teach my children the same thing. I am generalizing here but cops as a group are the most arrogant SOB's that I have ever had the misfortune of running across. Small town cops seem to develop the Wyatt Earp of Barney Fife syndrome,the State boys are the worst of the bunch,here in New York numerous cases have been overturned or not even gotten to court because the police have lied on the stand and in one case a murderer of a family of three almost went free because the police manufactured evidence to bolster a case. The sheriffs department is generally a pretty good bunch of guys maybe because this is a small county and we all either know or know of each other and it is hard to live with people that hate you. Law enforcement folks most all have a free pass. A very good friend of mine is a Justice of the Peace and when ever we go to a car or tractor show we use one of his vehicles. Why? Cause he has JP license plates or has he calls them his "Get out of Jail free" card. He drives as fast as he wants parks where he wants and it is ok. My wife used to work at a state prison and belonged to the same union as the State Police. We had a union sticker on the car and could get away with murder almost.
This is getting long and I am on a rant here,don't get me wrong;we would be in a world of hurt if it was'nt for the police but they just have to much power and to many of them use it innapropriatly.


Cindi    Posted 01-29-2004 at 15:59:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
I understand and I know that goes on, but I guess it depends on how many cops you encounter and where. I think they are the opposite based on my experience. They chase scumbags down and lock them up and then some lawyer finagles them out and they start all over again. They are spit on and cursed at and can't do anything about it, and even law abiding people tend to get a little outraged when they are pulled over and ticketed for something they did wrong. I read a column in the paper the other day from a guy who got a speeding ticket. Was he speeding? Yes. But he raked this cop over the coals for being in a place where he couldn't see him so that made the cop devious and sneaky. Maybe he was, but the guy WAS SPEEDING, and he used his position with the paper he writes for to call this cop everything but a white man. There is no way to rebut a column. I lost all respect for the guy. He should grow up and deal with his screw ups instead of blaming the cop for catching him at it. That's only one idiot I know of, I'm sure there are millions out there. Now I'm ranting (grin) Sorry.


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