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Why we fight Terriorsts Steve!
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Willy-N    Posted 02-04-2004 at 10:44:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
This pretty much sums it up. Read all the names of people and countries involved with the Bombing of our Soldiers. We do not need to end this cycle? How soon some of us forget!!!
On 23 October 1983, an event occurred which remains one the darkest hours for our Corps and our nation. The event was the terrorist bombing of the Marine barracks/BLT Headquarters in Beirut Lebanon. 241 Marines, soldiers, and sailors were killed, and 146 wounded. In honor of our fallen comrades, let us look at some information regarding this attack. As Marines and as Americans, we must not forget...

Actual preparations for the bombing began in September of 1983. Iran played a central role and operational coordination was conducted from the Iranian embassy in Damascus, Syria. Syria was responsible for the technical aspects of the attack because only they and their allies had the intelligence assets and the technical expertise to determine the requirements and design of the bomb. Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) members were in charge of operational security.

After studying the U.S. compound, the Syrians decided to use a truck identical to the trucks delivering cargo to the Beirut airport. Those trucks passed routinely in front of the Marine barracks. The Mercedes truck used for the bombing was delivered to Beirut from an assembly plant in Iran, and the explosives used for the bomb were shipped from Bulgaria and delivered via Damascus. These explosives were composite-shaped charges built to have a "directed-enhanced" blast so that their impact on the building above would be greater. The bomb consisted of 300 kilograms of Hexogene reinforced by PTN (a type of high explosive).

The suicide driver of the truck received training at a terrorist camp in Iran. He was especially trained and brainwashed for the operation by Vietnamese and North Korean advisers, and taught special driving techniques by Bulgarian and former East German instructors. The driver was then taken to a camp run by Syrian intelligence, until the day of the attack. On the day of the attack, the driver was given tea and drug laced cookies after prayer.

The drugged cookies were administered by an Iranian protégé of the Abu Nidal terrorist organization, who had received "special training in the techniques of mind control" from the former Soviet KGB. This Iranian, known as Ibrahim al-Nadhir, emerged as the primary torturer of Western hostages in the mid-1980s.

The go ahead for the operation was given by Syrian President Hafiz al-Assad, who in fact made some low-key inspection visits to Lebanon in a black Mercedes. On the day of the attack, there were approximately 120 former Soviet Union military advisers permanently deployed to the Beirut suburbs, providing assistance and guidance in all aspects of the fighting against the multinational peacekeeping forces then deployed to Beirut. It has been learned that at least 50 Soviet officers were present in the immediate area of the suicide driver's route.

The explosion which ripped through the Marine's barracks at 6:17 am, was determined by FBI forensic investigators to be [at that time], "the single largest non-nuclear explosion on earth since World War II." It is interesting to note that the bomb composition used in this devastating attack, would later be the same as that used in the bombing of the World Trade Center in New York City in February 1993. As Marines, let us not forget...

It will keep happening till someone or Country like the USA does something about it. Mark H.


SPRINGHOUSE update from M    Posted 02-10-2004 at 14:13:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
I know you're all just dying to hear about my
latest water problems. another rat fell into my
springhouse. when i went to fish him out, he
was so gooey he fell apart like cooked
chicken. this time i decided not to shock the
system with chlorine since i have always had
a .5 micron filter and uv light germ killer on the
water system anyway. i thought about
prevention: why do the buggers come into the
springhouse when there's a lovely creek
nearby? well, who knows? but one thing's for
sure (i think), they crawl into the house, fall
into the water, and drown. so to stop the
drowning/death/rotting bit, I have installed a
plastic ladder for them to crawl back out of the
water in case they fall in. it's actually a piece
of lattice from a trellis. it doesn't solve the
problem 100% because the mouse, all wet
and bedraggled, would still need to jump
about 5 inches from the top of the ladder to get
to the side of the springhouse and to safety. i
set it that far away from the wall to keep
ignorant mice from crawling DOWN the ladder
and making an even worse mess.

Oh yes, i'm also getting a mess of feral cats.

PS...thanks for letting me piggyback on this
guy's message. my computer at school won't
let me go to the forum...it's considered
"CHAT."


Dave 2N    Posted 02-04-2004 at 13:07:43       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Mark-
Great job of stating the issue in terms that anyonec can understand. I think that Stevie DOES understand and is just jerking us around. I think that Stevie needs some "grow-up" medicine and I further propose that we stop responding to his rediculous posts.


Jet9N    Posted 02-04-2004 at 12:25:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well stated Mark! Thanks for history lesson.
Then after that we had the various embassy
bombings by the same basic element. If we don't
fight them now they will again be in our FRONT
yard.

We all agree that any loss of life is tragic, but
let's put things into perspective; for what has
been acomplished versus us not acting many lives
have actually be spared by putting Saddam out of
business. Only difference is it would have been
thousands of Iraqis instead of some 500 coalition
lives.

JMHO

Jet


True Patriot    Posted 02-05-2004 at 10:22:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
And we all know American lives are worth more than any others, right ?


steve19438    Posted 02-04-2004 at 11:51:20       [Reply]  [Send Email]
and who was president at the time and what party was he a member of? c'mon you can say it.


RichZ    Posted 02-04-2004 at 11:19:41       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Willy-N, very interesting post!!! I never knew that info. I'm not at all doubting you, but where did you get the info?


Willy-N    Posted 02-04-2004 at 14:20:37       [Reply]  [No Email]
There is lots of good information on the net after you weed thru the cr@p. Here is the site I got this copy from.
http://www.leathernecklane.com/marine/history/beirut.htm
Mark H,.


True Patriot    Posted 02-05-2004 at 10:26:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well well well, a marine website. I'm sure they're not at all biased, and we all know that US govt intel is the best around, don't we ?
I'm sure everything you said is totally true, just like dubya was honest about the WMD



Stormie    Posted 02-04-2004 at 11:01:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
Glad you posted this. I had heard of this before (I was only 7 or 8 at the time of this) but never knew the whole story or much of the facts. Excellent post.


Willy-N    Posted 02-04-2004 at 11:05:27       [Reply]  [No Email]
You just gave away your age, I understand a little better now. Hang in there history keeps repeating its self. Mark H.


Stormie    Posted 02-04-2004 at 11:29:40       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hey now! I truly didn't know Steve had a mental defect! I am new-ish here. Please don't let my age fool you I have an "older" sole. ;> ) In fact with that being said I came here hoping to meet people with similar interests. There are not many girls or guys my age that I have a lot in commom with. I have met a lot of nice people on here who do though.

Please forgive my green-ness.

Stormie


Willy-N    Posted 02-04-2004 at 14:30:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
I wish I was your age again. I ment it as a compliment. The longer you live the more Cr@p you see and remember. The more times people try to get over on you. It is one big learning process till you end up dieing. Mark H.


toolman    Posted 02-04-2004 at 11:35:05       [Reply]  [No Email]
green ness is good . he was just teasin ya.lol


steve19438    Posted 02-04-2004 at 11:12:35       [Reply]  [Send Email]
"history keeps repeating itself", coud not have said it better myself. which is the point of my posts!!!


Red Dave - Not True!    Posted 02-04-2004 at 11:55:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
The point of your posts is to stir up rancorous partisan political debates by inappropriately posting agenda-driven, nonsense on a forum intended for "country life and rural living".

In intenet parlance it is known as "trolling"

Your intent and motivation are transparent.


steve19438    Posted 02-04-2004 at 12:29:04       [Reply]  [Send Email]
thanks "RD"! i've been around the internet for over six years. i couldn't figure out to troll references to me, now i know.


Salmoneye    Posted 02-04-2004 at 13:08:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
6 WHOLE years?

Wow...


steve19438    Posted 02-04-2004 at 13:13:58       [Reply]  [Send Email]
more than some less than others. was just used as a reference.


Salmoneye    Posted 02-04-2004 at 13:34:53       [Reply]  [No Email]
Most people dump AOL long before that...



steve19438    Posted 02-04-2004 at 13:46:12       [Reply]  [Send Email]
i've been , for the most part, ok with AOL. no major problems, but then i am not a internet expert and just use it for recreation.


Les    Posted 02-04-2004 at 12:03:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
Every so often he'll get a little respectable but it doesn't last long and then he'll spend a whole day or more trolling. That's one of the reasons I tweaked him this morning about his lack of...
well, if you saw it, you know what I'm talking about.
At any rate, I was just trying to change the subject but now I realize that he is best ignored.
But it's hard to do when somebody is as outrageous as he is, though, ain't it?


I was doing so well...    Posted 02-04-2004 at 13:06:42       [Reply]  [No Email]
And I just forgot myself...

I will reinstall 'Ignore 3.2'...Now where did I put that disc...

Salmoneye,


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