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My dog bites
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lgcarver    Posted 02-04-2004 at 15:59:16       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I have a bulldog mix puppy. He chews everything including me. He bites my feet, ankles, and legs. I have tried to discipline him verbally and by wacking him with a rolled up newspaper. Nothing seems to work. How can I get him to stop biting?
lgcarver@yahoo.com


Paula    Posted 02-05-2004 at 05:39:10       [Reply]  [Send Email]
The puppy has to learn what is 'enough' from you like
he would from other dogs in his pack. Simply stopping
play if he begins to play too hard will effectively send
the message. If he's crazed like puppies get just
straight arm him (hold him at arms length) without
getting worked up about it. Teaching him a training
word like "easy" in conjunction is also effective.

More active correction can backfire by stimulating more
play. For instance, grabbing, growling, whacking with
objects may be interpreted as an invitation to play.

As for a shock collar - to what end? What would the
shock collar teach the dog? And besides, bullies have
a high pain threshold, you'll have to shock the crap out
of him just to get his attention.

There are many ways to approach dog training. I am a
follower of operant conditioning (clicker training) and it
has proven effective for the three rhodesian ridgebacks
I've raised. They've all had basic obedience, two had
novice, one has had agility training and they all got
their Canine Good Citizenship certs.

Finally I would recommend a good puppy book to help
you have reasonable expectations at each stage of
development and realize the potential of the dog at
these same stages. "The Art of Raising a Puppy" by the
Monks of New Skete is an awesome puppy book. They
use classical coercive training techniques but I happily
ignore that for the 90% else in the book on puppy
raising. Love that book. I know a couple of breeders
who almost have it as required reading for people who
want their pups.

Good luck
Paula


cosmo    Posted 02-05-2004 at 06:28:36       [Reply]  [No Email]
What would a shock collar teach? It would teach him not to chase cars and the neighbor's cat. Kind of hard to stare a dog down when he is several hundred feet away. I've tried to explain that's a no no, but he just doesn't seem to understand.


Paula    Posted 02-05-2004 at 07:07:58       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I suppose if I lived in an unfenced area and had a dog
anyway and the dog was unsecured and had a habit of
chasing cares I would put a shock collar on him to save
his life. But in that case, in my opinion, the shock collar
would be a mark of my failure to keep my dog
contained. But then that's JMO.

I've never seen the need for a shock collar for my
animals. They all have or have had excellent recall
and good obedience. I have sighthounds and if they
chase the neighbor's cat in my yard that 's the
neighbor's cat's hard luck. They have a prey drive so I
figure I have to find a way from keeping them from
chasing deer to Delaware. Ergo a fence.

BTW the question was how to stop a young dog from
biting. Biting is natural in play with a young dog. So my
question was how would a shock collar teach a young
dog not to bite?

Paula


Salmoneye    Posted 02-05-2004 at 09:16:59       [Reply]  [No Email]
Not everyone has a fenced yard, and dogs are not 'citizens'...

My dog bites me while we are playing, my bad...

My dog bites someone else with malice, my bad and a dead dog...



Paula    Posted 02-05-2004 at 09:50:18       [Reply]  [Send Email]
The CGC or canine good citizen's test is an AKC
sponsored temperament test based on a pass/fail score
of 10 activities including meeting other dogs, meeting
other people with dogs, leaving your dog with a person
and going out of your dog's sight, navigating a crowd
with your dog, negotiating distractions with your dog,
your dog allowing a stranger to handle and groom it,
your dog walking on leash, your dog coming when
called, etc

I only mentioned it to point out that it is possible to train
a dog without coercion or punishment. Not everyone
has a fenced yard but everyone has a responsibility to
contain his or her dogs. That may me a line, a tether, a
run, something. At least that is my opinion.

As for the biting the poster was referring to, it sounds
like the usual play biting puppies do. I could be
mistaken. So he or she was asking help to curtail it, if
I'm not mistaken.

Paula


Bite him back!    Posted 02-05-2004 at 04:49:01       [Reply]  [No Email]
Biting the dog back may work? LOL! My daughter was 5 years old and I got a Black Lab pup, of course the dog was biting my daughter etc. (Playing) One day as I watched her play with the dog thru the window, she bit the dog BACK!! As I opened the door to scorn her, she turned and looked at me with black hair on her mouth. I said, "What are you doing?" She said, "she bit me first!" LOL!! My daughter is now 16 and I have to remind her every once in a while about it. I tell her, "Don't you bite me!!"

RY


Dave(WI)    Posted 02-05-2004 at 04:42:21       [Reply]  [No Email]
Bite him back!!!


KellyGa    Posted 02-04-2004 at 16:47:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
I assume he is being puppyish and playing when he bites. Mouthing you a lot and those little sharp puppy teeth hurt! I went through that with Tip, my border collie. You have to appeal to their buried wolf behavior. In a pack, the dominant one will take a hold of the side of the face and hold it, growling. Now, I am not suggesting biting him back, lol. Here is what you do. THe next time he starts to bite, you take the loose skin on the side of his face right behind the sid e of his mouth with your hand and hold it, put pressure on the area you are holding, firmly, but not to hurt. Get in his face and look him in the eye and lowly growl "Noooo!". I know it sounds silly, but it works. Got that out of the Dog WHisperer book I bought, since I wanted the positive reinforcement training to be a success, and it was. :) Good Luck, let me know how it turns out. Of course you will have to do this more than once. Just keep at it, he will get the message that it's not suitable behavior.


Fawteen    Posted 02-04-2004 at 17:00:35       [Reply]  [No Email]
Absolutely correct. You gotta establish your position as Leader of the Pack. Haven't tried that particular method, but the theory is sound.

Had a male once that was pretty sure HE was boss. Grabbed him, rolled him over on his back, and kneeled (gently) on his throat while staring him down. Once he looked away, (indicating submissiveness) we were fine. Never offered to challenge me again in the 15 years he lived with us.


KellyGa    Posted 02-04-2004 at 17:11:43       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thanks for the vote of confidence Fawteen. I had to train her without any negativity, which no animal or human responds to anyway, people just get impatient and don't take the time to understand an animals way of thinking, so they end up yelling and beating the animal. Had a friend that had a puppy, her boyfriend was like that, convinced her to just give it away, she did, thank goodness for the pups sake. Her boyfriend is a nitwit anyway.


Salmoneye    Posted 02-05-2004 at 03:27:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
Fawteen is correct (as I look 'sternly' at my new pup)...To some, it looks like 'abuse'...It is anything but...

Watch a Mama and her pups...The biggest (and most effective) corrective measure she employs is a nip on the ear now and then...

As a grown person, you feel really silly the first time you bite a dog in the ear...But it works...

I am the Alpha...Learn it...Know it...Live it...And bring me that duck while you are at it...



Cosmo    Posted 02-04-2004 at 16:15:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
Try a shock collar. You can't teach him what to do, but you sure as heck can teach him what NOT to do.


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