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ret    Posted 02-04-2004 at 18:38:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
between the muslim nations and the US , in my opinion goes clear back to 1948, when the nation of lsrael was created by the UN and Britain. There has been nothing but trouble over there since. The 6 day war in 67 didn't solve anything as far as the rest of the world was concerned. Where was the UN? Where has it been for the last 50 some years? We have been committed right or wrong , to defend it from the Muslim nations and that has been one of the reasons I think we have the mess we have today. Could we just say to the UN, we are pulling all troops from foreign lands? Won't happen, but makes me wonder what if. Going
to bed now, all this thinking is hard on me.
Rather talk about tractors or livestock, don't know a lot about them either
REt owner of a 1010 JD I need your sympathy

Jon(WI)    Posted 02-05-2004 at 04:59:05       [Reply]  [No Email]
Problem I have with it is "who came first" The Palistinians or Isrialites? Seems like you have to go back to Moses or back to the land that God gave the Isrealites, way before BC. Course I am not all that sure any of this happened. I do know that the American indian was here first, but we don't seem to be building any walls. Maybe that's because it is not a religious dispute. Seems like religion was engineered through the ages to benefit the morality of mankind. The architect did not realize it will probably be the cause of mankinds demise.

~Lenore    Posted 02-05-2004 at 08:30:27       [Reply]  [No Email]
The Architect knew just what would happen.
He did not create "religion", men did that.
Jesus did not agree with the "religious" folks of his day either.

Dieselrider    Posted 02-05-2004 at 05:23:41       [Reply]  [No Email]
Or it's salvation, depending on what you believe.

Uh...    Posted 02-05-2004 at 04:50:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
"in my opinion goes clear back to 1948, when the nation of lsrael was created by the UN and Britain"

Put the blame where it belongs...The British 'Empire'...

For hundreds of years (and longer if you want to go back to the first 'crusades'), the 'Empire' saw fit to take over and subjugate various populations worldwide and rule them with an iron hand...The 'Empire' kept 'peace' in these regions by force...By NOT allowing all these small ethnic and religious conflicts to play out and settle themselves hundreds of years ago, they have condemned us (and our time) to be the ones to deal with this...The problem with this is the fact that the 'wars' in this day and age have spilled across their original geographic, political and religious boundaries...

All of todays 'hot-spots' can logically be linked to the British Empire in some way...

Blame the British...I do...And I take every oportunity to inform my BIL too LOL

Salmoneye, Who Has A Sister Married To A Limey

my mother    Posted 02-05-2004 at 08:02:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
came from england, and I do agree with you. Probably one of the worst things they done was dig up all the graves they could and take them back to England. British museum is full of stolen stuff. Most britishers think a lot like texans, we are the best

Glad...    Posted 02-05-2004 at 09:11:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
You said that...Not me...



Dieselrider    Posted 02-05-2004 at 05:32:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
I think if you look at a much older cause it warrents a plausible basis to the Middle East trouble. The Arabs are Abrahams offspring through Sarah's hand maid, Hagar, while the Isrealites are Abraham's offspring through Sarah. God said they would always have problems and they always will. Who ever you want to put the blame on for letting it continue are just part of His plan. But, if you believe the book all this is recorded in, it all works out in the end.

Sure...    Posted 02-05-2004 at 05:49:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
That explains 'one' conflict...

Now explain the Pakis and Indians...'Ethnic' cleansing in The Sudan...How about the leftovers from the 'Opium Wars'in southeast asia?...Lots more places too...


Dieselrider    Posted 02-05-2004 at 09:14:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
You mean the part that says "the heart of man being continually evil."? Or maybe they don't have enough tractors to ride and keep them busy with good stuff like that.

LOL...    Posted 02-05-2004 at 09:21:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
No...I was speaking specifically to none of them being of the house of Abraham...

Dang gentiles...


Salmoneye, Ducking Again Today

Dieselrider    Posted 02-05-2004 at 09:34:30       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ok, got ya. Sometimes I'm a little slow in the reasoning department. Or all departments for that matter. I better get back to work now before my partner thinks I'm slacking.

while you are at it    Posted 02-05-2004 at 05:18:39       [Reply]  [No Email]
Add slavery to that list. Britian had no sugar of their own but did have a fairly new national fad. Tea, which most Brits wanted sweetened. The Empire also had the British possesions including Bermuda, Jamaca,the Indies, all of which could produce sugar cane from which came the much needed sweetner for tea. First came slaves from these islands then later imported slaves from African continent. Saw a documentary on the History channel about this not long ago.
Another note about these Persian Gulf nations and the USA. We have had trouble between us dating back to "from the shores of Tripoli" days of pirates. 200 years of distrust.

deadcarp    Posted 02-04-2004 at 20:14:56       [Reply]  [No Email]
interesting folks over there - and pretty crafty with their wallets too. most accurate congressional estimates place aid to israel since 1949 at something over $91 billion. of course that means every citizen forks over pennies/year so it ain't exactly breaking us. but i wouldn't invest in israel unless i knew when they plan to announce the next peace talks - those silly things panic investors and for good reason. sure as bookies at a racetrack, there's a direct correlation. i say the whole thing's orchestrated. :)

Sid    Posted 02-04-2004 at 19:48:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
Now now ret don't feel bad owning a JD ain't all that bad.

Les    Posted 02-05-2004 at 02:20:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yeah, it could be a dorF.

fredo.    Posted 02-04-2004 at 19:02:44       [Reply]  [Send Email]
don't mess with gods chosen people................

ret    Posted 02-05-2004 at 04:07:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
Then why isn't God taking care of them instead of us. Or, giving them a few jawbones of asses and letting them kill all the arabs in sight?

Dieselrider    Posted 02-05-2004 at 04:20:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
Maybe He is taking care of them and we are the "Jawbone and Ass" He's using! Ouch...Lol.

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