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Law enforcement and the court system
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mona    Posted 02-05-2004 at 23:05:09       [Reply]  [Send Email]
unfortunately I live in a small town in Texas and I have seen first hand that in the counties that have small towns in them, the police and sherriff departments have selective law enforcement and so do the courts - it appears to me that they make up the rules as they go - my son just getting into some trouble (MIP), got scared ran and had four different charges against him, left the scene but had not been arrested, alcohol in public, drinking in public, and marijuana under two ounces, the only thing he did was admit that the alcohol was his, he didn't have drugs but the officer said that she found one half of a marijuana cig in the "path" where he ran, evading arrest (but wasn't arrested to his knowledge) and drinking in public (but wasn't drinking, just told her that he had been earlier), the next morning after spending the night in jail, they remembered his miranda rights, and the DA offered him a "deal", he took it and before we knew what had happened he had the "book" thrown at him, there is NO justice in east Texas counties. my mother was brutally murdered 26 yrs ago in the same county and they forgot "again" his miranda rights therefore; he got out of prison in 18 yrs, (he killed two other women)... be grateful that you have decent law enforcement, small town and county corruption is alive and well in Kaufman and Van Zandt counties, Texas.


mike    Posted 02-06-2004 at 07:28:59       [Reply]  [No Email]
I too live in a small town and see the same things that you describe. However, this may be the best thing that could have happened to your son. I can think of at least two people that are now probably going to the stste pen. One is in his late 20's and the other in her late 30'S. These kids started out as your son and their parents had enough clout to always get them out of trouble. Now the parents are afraid of them and have finally got to the point that they realize they were only making it worse getting them out of everything. The kids got to the point that they would steal from the parents and other family members. I hope that you can correct your son. Don't be blind in thinking that it is always someone else's fault that your son gets in trouble. Now is the time to help him. If you wait until later you probably will not be able to help him.
Good luck, Mike


Clipper    Posted 02-06-2004 at 05:36:42       [Reply]  [No Email]
To you it may seem like selective law enforcement but to a cop it is just doing a job. As a former Police Officer I can tell you that it does not take long for any officer to know who and where the trouble-makers are in his community.Obviously your son was not busted for sitting in Church minding his own business.Instead of blaming the system for your son's woes you should be looking in a mirror. Once you are done with that you should get off your butt and work a little harder to help your son become a productive member of the community.


Les    Posted 02-06-2004 at 08:24:29       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thank you Clipper, Stormie and others who said what I might have said only in a much better way.
I bet the teachers pick on the little darlin in school, too.


Stormie    Posted 02-06-2004 at 04:15:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
I am sorry to hear about your mother. I lost my very best friend and her whole family to a drunk driver. He was 17. He is out of prison now. She was 29, her husband was 30, her little boy was 2 and her daughter was 4 months. They were coming home from a Christmas Dinner on Dec 23rd 1999.

I feel no sympathy for anyone who gets caught drinking and driving, underage drinking, pot smoking, running from the law, or anything other activity that is illegal.

You should be thankful that they caught your child so you can try to correct this behavior. Next time it could be a lot worse if you continue to defend these type of actions.

I know we have all done stupid things when we were young. However it is up to the parent and the law to put the fear of God into kids so that it dosen't happen again. Somebody could end up dead.


the pink panther    Posted 02-06-2004 at 04:09:14       [Reply]  [Send Email]
i was married to a woman one time....a very short time,that had a son the cops were always picking on.yep they singled him out.she said they followed him around just waiting for him to do something wrong.and you know what?he always did something wrong!!!!
he had a MIP, DUI, PROPERTY DESTRUCTION, and various other charges before he was a senior.he was a PUNK.the cops knew it,the town knew it.the law only did their job
if she had let him face the music on his own maybe it would'nt have kept on the wrong path.
if it's against the law..........then it's against the law.period.
walk a mile in a cops shoes and listen to the stories they hear from people they run across before you make the decision to call them crooked.
i did.............PP


RN    Posted 02-05-2004 at 23:44:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
Three stories at least to every case: prosecution story, defendants story, the truth. Sometimes the Politicaly correct story, the Bible based story and the Devils side also. How much time is he doing compared to possible time if convicted as charged? Less than half is fairly good, 1/4 time is convenient for everybody, time served and less than years tight probation-misdemeaner charge is defendant lucky/prosecuter busy. Time served and diversion with guilty plea- good possibility police messed up somewhere and law CYA time. RN.


Willy-N    Posted 02-05-2004 at 23:31:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
Seems your son may have some problems. First he ran tring to get away no matter how you look at it. 2nd, He did say he was drinking earlier even tho he was not caught at that time. Does that mean it is OK or right if you are not caught or they make a mistake not reading your rights? He did admit the alcohal was his and if he was under 21 that was against the law, so he broke the law. Did he just have alcohal in his posscession with out intending to drink it like he said he did earlier? As far as the Pot well I think they would have had to see him throw it to pin it on him, but it might have been his and he told you it was not. It may seem unfair but he did break the law and got caught doing it and has to do the time. It is sad what happen to you befor but should they not follow the law now? Yes sometimes things do not seem fair, but when you are caught breaking the law they tend to inforse it. What would have happened if he had got into a wreck driving under the influeance and killed someone. I think he got off with a good lesson not to be around or drinking alcohal till he is of legal age if he never does it again. Would he have repeated this behavior if he had not been caught? Life has some hard lessons when growing up. Mark H.


Willy-N    Posted 02-05-2004 at 23:40:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
Now after saying that there is another point of view. They could have let him off with a good scare hoping it would sink in and do some good. If he had a clean record befor and did not give them any trouble. A night in jail teaches a lot more than a fine would ever do. I know I spent a weekend because of alcohal as a kid and never wanted to go back again. I also knew better than to call my Mom because it was me who got myself in trouble! I learned a lot during that weekend. Mark H.


deadcarp    Posted 02-05-2004 at 23:17:56       [Reply]  [No Email]
there's bigotry, nepotism and everything else in every facet of society - shame when it casts a shadow on the law community but it does. but they always have superiors and i think that's why. unless you have a really independent local paper, you might have to go way over their heads to make things better. remember that somebody, somewhere in that chain of command is up for re-election and needs a good issue for his platform. find him and help him. :)



Pitch    Posted 02-06-2004 at 05:33:58       [Reply]  [No Email]
How old is he? What is his prior record and What is the book? What is MIB? I am no lover of the courts and law enforcement but you are only telling us what you were told and what you believe. I have a worthless brother who is a druggie and has'nt held a job for more than a month or so his whole life. My mother will go to her death defending this guy. He was once arrested in the early morning hours in nearby city for possesion of crack. He told my mother that he was just sittin and talking fishing with a good friend of his when the cops got there. (he was probably the only white boy in a ten mile radius) My mother believed every word and my other brothers and I were the bad guys for pointing this out to her. A mothers love makes the perfect blinders!
On the other hand a friends son's live in girl friend hit and killed a bike rider several years ago and ran. The police had no clue and no hope of solving it. After a couple of weeks the boy's conscience got to bothering him so bad and the girl would'nt turn herself in so he did it for her. One would think that the law would be appreciative, but the over zealous DA charged him with witholding evidence and obstruction, and interfering with an investigation.The only thing that saved him from jail time was the victims families victim impact statement to the judge. he still got a record and probation.
I would take a good long honest look at your sons behavior and go from there.


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