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John D Public    Posted 12-21-2001 at 05:55:59       [Reply]  [No Email]
I grew up less than a mile from this lake during the 1940's and into the '50's. This has 4 parts to the total story. It ran in the Sunday dec 16 paper with added parts on Dec17,18 and 19. It should be taken as a major example as to what is or can happen to rural life in America. It is serious. It was sad to see such a beautiful lake area destroyed by so relative few people. It is farming freedom that should be re-examined in detail by people who vote. Laws to prevent this should be considered. The link is: www.startribune/stories/531/893078.html
Thanks. John Public

JR.    Posted 01-15-2002 at 18:08:58       [Reply]  [Send Email]

sprout    Posted 12-22-2001 at 06:10:51       [Reply]  [No Email]
Dear jd public.

I own 150 acres, with 100 tillable. the rest is woods with a creek running through it. I also rent 65 acres that has a creek runing through it also. At both farms I have planted native grasses for filter strips along both creeks. Now if I could just keep those city yuppies who enjoy hunting it without asking, and swiming and fishing in the lake the creek drains to. from throwing their tv's, airconditoners, hidabeds, barbers car, chestofdrawers,recliner tires, carpeting into the creeks in the last year.I get so sick of the people who blame every stinking environmental problem on the farmer without looking at themselves first.

John D    Posted 12-22-2001 at 11:53:10       [Reply]  [No Email]
sprout: 100 acres is not really a farm anymore. It's a large yuppy hobby home. The more important think that needs to be done is to reduce the "freedoms" that the farmers have so that wide spred destruction of a public lake area like this is not continued or repeated. "This lake is proof that farmers need to be more regulated." Yearly farming plans somewhat like getting building permits would be a good start in this area.
The farmers are vastly outnumbered in the public voting booths. It's time to start the large masses of people, that like using lakes, to vote for laws against the few who abused these lakes. John

sprout    Posted 12-23-2001 at 09:30:19       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'm sorry john D I neglected to state that is only my share. Together with my dad we farm about 1,060 acres. so take that yupie hobby farm sh!t and put it where the sun dont shine.!!!

Hey-Hey sprout    Posted 12-23-2001 at 16:38:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
sprout: Careful there. Your an example of what I am refering to. A young yo-yo who gets a deed to land from "daddy" and jumps on a tractor and thinks he has the god given right to do anything he feels like without regard to those "downstream." Nooo way young fella. You CAN do ANYTHING you want, most times, as long as it is completely contained inside your property lines. This story is about farmer types like Wolfe DUMPING all his pothole water right on his neighbor. ..and that was repeated many many times over the last 120 years. You don't know how to read?? or you didn't bother to read the link..?? Here is the link again. Have your mommy or daddy read it to you. John D

Burrhead    Posted 12-22-2001 at 18:57:09       [Reply]  [No Email]
Around here the municipalities plume the runoff from town to go out across farms to clean it up some.

These oil and chemical plants have waste water holding tanks. They're suppose to ship it to a chem disposal but they don't.

They hold the waste water till it rains and then they release it into the storm drains. The storm drains in turn runoff across farmlands.

Pretty nifty idea they got. The yuppies get rid of the poison for nuthin thereby pleasing the yuppie stock holders and the farmers get the blame for creating it to begin with.

Them yuppies are already voting exactly like they want it. Without a farmer who would they pipe the poison onto and blame for

2 Burrhead    Posted 12-23-2001 at 16:46:58       [Reply]  [No Email]
Burrhead: Your example of city rain runnoff laced with unwanted chemicals is about what I am also refering to in the startribune story. In this case 454 square miles of farm watershed is dumped unto just 8,000 acres of lake along with farmer controled worthington city water. This includes a small meat packing plant and an unwanted farm-dead livestock plant. Totally out of control in damaging former prime PUBLIC lake. John D.

John D Public    Posted 12-21-2001 at 06:26:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
All: When homesteaded in the 1880's, there were maybe 1600 farmers in this 454 square mile watershed. Now there are maybe less than 500 people who are using this lake as a semi-private cess pool for their farming. The water is bad enough from time to time that all swimming\wading is baned as well as eating of anything taken from the water. It has a very bad smell most of the time. There have been measurements of up to 30 feet of farm chemical laced sild washed in by farm drainage. Worthington is a farmer controlled town by way of mostly agra business and it adds to the polution. In private most farmers do not care about destroying this lake or some of the vast underground water tables. They feel it was\is their right to use the lake as their dumping area. It's a mindset that will haunt future generations of the public. If it would be helping a million people make a better life, I could see a trade off of sorts. But not just for so few or just because they are farmers.
John Public

Public solution    Posted 12-21-2001 at 08:11:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
All: Control of the polution would require control of the dranage water running into the lake. I could see condemnation of all land within a reasonable distance back from the entire lakeshore and used as a buffer zone. Then control of water, above and below ground, could then be regulated in the best interest of the lake. All farmers\home owners now using the lake for drianage would have to re-adjust. Private holding ponds on private land could be up to each land owner. After all, farmers do not want others peoples problems dumped on their land. A fee for using the lake as drainage could be applied to pay for cleanup.
John Public

Burrhead    Posted 12-21-2001 at 12:40:37       [Reply]  [No Email]
Maybe we can get somebody to invent a catalytic converter for domesticated animules.

2 Burrhead    Posted 12-23-2001 at 16:50:10       [Reply]  [No Email]
there aren't too many ani-mules involved here compare to chemical laced farm runoff water.. but you might be the one who can relate to ani-mule "exhaust" better than most? JD

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