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Alien Workers
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Alias    Posted 02-15-2004 at 18:10:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
Correct me if I'm wrong. But, under a democrat President, Clinton, Nafta was enacted. Now, the democrats are preaching that the current administration is selling America short by allowing jobs to go to other countries. And, that this is the reason why unemployment is so high here at home. So, pray tell me, why are Mexicans and other Latin Americans Able to find work in a country that has no jobs? Could it be that only the Latinos are willing to take whatever is available? Sure, in most cases it's manual labor, but it beats welfare or just plain doing nothing. It's like my Dad used to say, "If a person wants to work, he/she will find a job.

Now, I've worked all my life. And, for some mysterious reason, I was never out of a job for any length of time. In fact, there were times over the past 57 or so years when I wished I didn't have a job. But, that kind of thinking didn't last long. For, I've never been one to be idle for very long.


deadcarp    Posted 02-16-2004 at 04:01:29       [Reply]  [No Email]
i can only speak from my own experience: the hardest working man i ever met was felipe. he once hand-mixed 42 wheelbarrows of stucco mortar for us in a day and refused help. at lunch time he was squatting by the truck and i got curious - here he'd found my wireful of rusty skilsaw blades and was scrubbing them off with sand! well that fall we got him a big box of donuts and arranged him a limo ride to town - he was 71 at the time, his minimum goal was to send home 20/week and he really sent like 100, had a nice place in quadalajarra and all his kids had cars and went to college. if felipe was available now, he could work for me anytime and i'd find a way to pay him. it's simple math: if there were $200/hour jobs in canada right now, we'd be grabbing them too. :)


Willy-N    Posted 02-15-2004 at 21:39:43       [Reply]  [No Email]
I collected 2 weeks of unemployment in March of 1974 Not bad since I have been working over 36 years so far. Work is out there if you want it! Mark H.


Dave    Posted 02-15-2004 at 22:01:05       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I stumbled across this thread while looking for a wood
burning stove leg.
Why do I need a wood burner? Self sufficiency. And
why would a kid outside Philly need that? Because I
didn't fall for Y2K, but I can't fall for Enron. My family
needs heat in this winter. I cannot help look at the
bigger picture and hope it gets better. If alien labor is
your issue, ask yourself why our current pres needs the
vote so bad. And ask yourself why a grid is not upkept
with our hard earned taxes. And ask why Target is the
easy cop out and not mom&pop. I wish we could
generate a product (besides Brittany and Starbucks that
the goatherder from Afghanastan could never
understand) that we could be proud of. They're out
there, but why aren't these fine USA-made products
pushed? What happened to THE AMERICAN NATION
you were born in 57 years ago? And where can I find a
stove leg around here?!?!
Thanks for letting me vent.


Burrhead    Posted 02-15-2004 at 20:33:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
Is that the same thing as the kettle calling the pot black?


Taylor Lambert    Posted 02-15-2004 at 19:19:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
I agree with you onj the work part, my cousin used to make fun of my saving up and buying shop equipment but its notso funny now when he has to come and work for me all day.
I also agree with you on NAFTA alot of folks here are having to change jobs because of it.I have 2 Mexicans that work for me alot an they are good workers i usually pay them a bit more than the other workers because of the amount of work they can do a day. I have alot of problems when hiring a person my age they dont take instructions well. THey tend to act like im not the boss even though im there helping. My favorite line to hear is Im not doin that or thats a sh)*()(y job. hey also dislike the the way im usually on the backhloe or other machine but its funny they dont understand the labor concept. The Mexicans all work together and take trns at ader jobs to rest the others. Its nice to have no fighting and such on a job. And one perc is ive learned more spanish in the last year than i did in highschool lol


Taylor Lambert    Posted 02-15-2004 at 19:15:44       [Reply]  [No Email]
I agree with you onj the work part, my cousin used to make fun of my saving up and buying shop equipment but its notso funny now when he has to come and work for me all day.
I also agree with you on NAFTA alot of folks here are having to change jobs because of it.I have 2 Mexicans that work for me alot an they are good workers i usually pay them a bit more than the other workers because of the amount of work they can do a day. I have alot of problems when hiring a person my age they dont take instructions well. THey tend to act like im not the boss even though im there helping. My favorite line to hear is Im not doin that or thats a sh)*()(y job. hey also dislike the the way im usually on the backhloe or other machine but its funny they dont understand the labor concept. The Mexicans all work together and take trns at ader jobs to rest the others. Its nice to have no fighting and such on a job. And one perc is ive learned more spanish in the last year than i did in highschool lol


steve19438    Posted 02-15-2004 at 18:24:20       [Reply]  [Send Email]
where i work we have a few "janitor's". many of the so called "skilled" plant employees look down their lofty noses at them. the way i look at it work is work! btw: the "janitor's" are "WAS whatever's".


toolman    Posted 02-15-2004 at 19:09:09       [Reply]  [No Email]
it was muloreny in canada , and regan in the states that started this nafta thing, course when the other two got in they finished,it hasn,t been any good for canada as far as im concerned, but your right if you want to eat and put a roof over your head you,ll find work and not blame someone else for everything, now i must go i have my janitorila bussiness to do tonight,back in an hour or so.


Mike in tn    Posted 02-15-2004 at 18:19:01       [Reply]  [No Email]
Alias, you are 100% correct.


Doc    Posted 02-16-2004 at 04:46:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
Your right, it started with Reagan and there hasn't been a President or candidate since that has come out against it. Oh they will all say they are against jobs going out of the country but they all stop short of condeming NAFTA. My question is as the years go by and the unions are gone; as the average worker is forced into lower paying jobs how will we support our false economy? When I say false economy I mean with all the loans keeping families in the lifestyle they have I believe a melt down is coming in defaulted mortgages, new car loans, home equity loans etc. Of course people will have to start living within their means but it seems that people don't see this coming as we as a nation keep getting farther and farther in debt.

Will our children be borrowing $40,000 for a new car on 25 year loans? Will our children have to take out 50 year loans on their first house because they are making top wage of $9.75 per hour? Just how long can this go on before it all falls apart?

I haven't figured out exactly what's so powerful about NAFTA other than big business pushing it. Do Democratic and Republican Candidates alike figure that we can sustain this fiasco util they are long out of office so they and their friends can make their millions from it and blame it on a Pres. down the line?

CREDIT is the evil in our society that will be the downfall of our economy as I see it. Credit is the conspiracy of business that is running our economy by a thread and that thread just keeps getting thinner and thinner. The business solution is to reform the bankruptcy laws. Now there's a solution for you eh?

Are we just too greedy? These are just some of the questions I have?

ok, let's hear it.


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