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Alien Workers Nafta
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Stormie    Posted 02-16-2004 at 05:38:15       [Reply]  [No Email]
Alias stated earlier that Nafta was enacted by the Clinton administration. Which is true. However it started with Bush and was finished by Clinton. Here are brief details. Just wanted everyone to be aware that that both parties had a hand in NAFTA. Here is more info:

The Bush administration marked progress on the economic front with the negotiation of the North America Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) with Mexico and Canada, which became the focus of an intense ratification debate in the Clinton administration. Labor unions charged that NAFTA would encourage the export of U.S. jobs, and environmentalists expressed concern that the agreement provided incentives to industries to relocate to regions having lax controls on industrial pollution. Both the Bush and Clinton administrations, however, argued that NAFTA would permit a greater flow of goods and services at lower cost, and would make industry in all three countries more competitive in the global marketplace. NAFTA, which was approved by the Congress after a vigorous national debate in late 1993, is viewed by many as a testing ground for future trade agreements, which could eventually lead to free trade throughout the Western Hemisphere.

http://www.americanhistory.or.kr/book/files/ethirteen06.html


I agree with Alias that if people really want to work they will find jobs. I am not sure how people will make it when most of the jobs available have no insurance and pay just above min. wage. This is what is happening in Michigan anyway. I have seen good people who have worked at a job for 20 + years and one day it is gone. The company I am referring to filed bankruptcy in the US. Turned around and started back up in Mexico and left 423 US workers with nothing. No Retirement, no pension, no extended health care. My mother worked there 22 years. Was going to retire in 3 more years. She is out there working and still looking for something better (with health insurance) at the same time. Your right there are still jobs out there but are they going to get you by? Remember a lot of these Alien workers go home after they finish the work. The money they make here does not stay here and it is a lot of money for them in Mexico. Its not a lot in the US. Plus they recieve medicade while they are here and food stamps, WIC, and help with utility bills. I know I used to process their claims. Anyway, I just wanted to enlighten those who will listen that both parties had a hand in NAFTA. Its not all one sided.

Stormie


Alias    Posted 02-16-2004 at 07:09:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
Stormie, I certainly didn't want to incite a debate over who is responsible for NAFTA. For, we all are aware that Foreign Trade has been underway forever. And, that's not a bad thing. What is bad is that NAFTA paved the way for manufacturers to move to Mexico and set up plants. Now, I'm not strong on statstics but I feel safe in saying that the vast majority of businesses that moved, did not relocate in Canada. To the contrary, I am sure that Canadian concerns, just like American ones, have relocated to Mexico.

What my post was about is that we have, here in America, people who, when they find themself without work, are not willing to make adjustments to their life style. Of course, it's hard to suddenly be cut off from one's livelihood. But, it's not the end of a person's world. If things aren't what you want them to be it's up to the individual to make it right.

Not to beat my own drum, but, when I was a kid in school, I studies very hard. I had to because, I was never that gifted. But, my hard work served me well when I entered the work place. My first job was that of an unskilled laborer on a construction project. Over the years, and through more hard work, I received several promotions until I became a project manager. And, all I'm saying is that if there are no opporunities, then it's up to the individual to make one. And, what ever you do, don't be entirely dependant on the government or an employer.

If I had been a Mexican, and couldn't make it there, I would not have hesitated to cross the Rio Grande.........gfp


Stormie    Posted 02-16-2004 at 08:29:21       [Reply]  [No Email]
I agree with what you are saying. I value good work ethics like yours. I believe everyone is responsible for there own destiny.

Isn't is the american dream to do your best and provide? You are saying that these people losing their jobs need to learn to adjust to a new lifestyle and do without. However, shouldn't some of these businesses tell their CEO's the same thing? Trust me a lot of people I see suffering from NAFTA syndrome are not greedy. They had modest homes, used cars, bills were paid, and the kids were fed. A lot of them are now working and doing their best to provide. Still it is not okay for a company to leave with everything these people worked for.

It needs to stop and Americans need to quit being so complacent.

If you didn't intend for it to be political then the reference to democrats should have been avoided. Thats just my opinion though.

I do enjoy your posts and it is nice to be able to hear another point of view in an intelligent manner even if I don't always agree. : >)

Stormie


Ron/PA    Posted 02-16-2004 at 07:41:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
What? Me ADJUST??? Ohhh Nooooo!!!!
Alias, I thank you for putting my thoughts into words. I've lost more and better jobs than most of my family can hope to have. I have never been without work for more than 48 hours!
A great job??? NO!
A good job??? NO!
What I wanted??? NO!
Did it feed us??? YES!
If your really serious about finding work, it's there, mebbe you will have to knock a tomato picker out of work, but it's there if you want it.
Later
Ron


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