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Topic: A very Special Message
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Fern(MI)

06-14-2004 11:30:09
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Let it be known and looked up for the record, if need be, I who am not without sin, and with that old thought in some devious minds here, I did not cast a single stone let alone the first one. I am appalled at what I saw here a few days ago. A vile demonstration of an un-American way of behavior our friend had not fought for over seas and under them protecting all that some paid the ultimate price for freedomís principles that we take for granted. Principles guaranteeing us a fair hearing and trail by our peers has been lost or denied in these pages I have added to and gleamed knowledge from. It is a sorry state of affairs that here an American, any American, may be denied what he had given so many years to protect.
I see where three friends have asked where I was. I have been grieving the lose of a passing American over these boards. And, I may continue to do so for some time to come.
Let it be known I shall look in and if still welcomed if I can help alleviate a DUMB animalís pain or suffering I shall add what thoughts I have in defense of said DUMB animal or animals.
A believer in the true American way looking into a man's heart for truth and justice.
Fernan

I now pass along in its entirety a special message from a very special Man I am proud to have met and am learning to know.

Fern...if ya could see your way to copy and post the below letter on the KL Forum I'd be grateful to you for that. If ya don't want to do it I unnerstand and no hard feelings whatsoever. Glad to have you as a friend and coming over to my site too! Regards...Clipper
Letter from Clipper.........
Well folks, through no doing of mine I was tried,convicted,and executed on this site. No one e-mailed me asking why.I was banned based on a ISP signal coming from my computer which happened to have a 17 year old computer whiz playing the keys. I am guilty only of trusting a relative and not having a log-on security system set up on my home computer. I will take the hit for that. What hurt the most tho was seeing the number of folks so quickly yelling "guilty" based only on Kims post that I was the culprit. What great justice. Kim I know I have biased myself with you on bashing your Talerban buddies.Would your posting have been the same as you did with me if it had been one of the Talers doing all the deleting? I don't blame you a bit for blocking my computer to protect your site.Just trying to figger why you pegged me on that Post of yours while the jury was still out for lunch.In my book there is corrective action for wrongdoing but overkill does not always fit those parameters.At any rate, rest assured that the keyboard culprit has been pounded far worse then that which you rendered to me. A super smart lad caught between divorced parents has worked much damage in itself upon him.To him it was fun but he now knows that even fun comes with responsibility.A higher Power at work here perhaps? I won't question that at my age! LOL! For those of you who screamed for my head on a stick I really don't hold any anger....just a great helping of disappointment in the frailty of supposed friendship.Even with your current hatred for me I truly hope that some memory comes to mind in which I brought a smile to you.
Saw a lot of true colors of folks on this Forum. I did not plan it that way but it sure was a eye opener for me. My reputation in this little town where I live and work is very simple....I don't lie,cheat,steal nor do harm to anyone. I am also known to go the extra mile to help anyone in any way that I possibly can.It is a reputation that cannot be sullied by keystrokes done in anger or vengance. I figure that is the best way to live my life.I owe that much to this country and to God for being a survivor of a unpopular war and a bit of dangerous work in the deepest oceans of this world. I will do nothing to disgrace the memory of friends who died in my arms and came home in body bags.Not too hard to figure out am I? :^)
Despite all the good times I have shared with you folks I don't think I will ever forget the meaness of spirit which I saw in the postings regarding this incident.Worst of all this is the destroyed trust which I feel will never be the same. Dale anne was right on the mark with her description of some of you folks turning on each other. I think I shall pass on any opportunity to return here and have to worry about such as that. Life for me is simply too short to waste any of it on a place that has more than a few folks willing and eager to rip one another. To those of you who know me and offered support I thank you from the bottom of my heart.Your printed words were a quick-healing salve upon my anger.God willing, we shall all meet again, either here on earth or someplace a whole lot better!Take care and watch your backs my friends. Adios......Clipper
P.S.: Kim would you be so kind as to delete all my pictures from your site? Shouldn't be too hard finding a volunteer at KL to help with that endeavor.Thank you kindly. :^)

ron,ar

06-14-2004 16:10:31
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I thought he got kidnapped by Rajah and the busload of bandits.
We, as adults, are all more or less responsable for what out computers are used for. Kinda like the phone, if a kid uses it for something or another, we still gotta pay for it.
I Know Clipper has been around these boards long enough to know that your ISP number is linked to your home computer, more or less.Maybe the punishment does not fit the crime, I dunno what the past history (first offense, second offense, ect) dictates in this case.
As far as what other boards show concerning his computers activity in a certain time frame, well the time posted may not be the same as shown. I can never figure out what time is used for what site. I wish him the best and maybe he can/will return. He has been here a long time and become somewhat of a mainstay here as far as I am concerned. Ron,Ar

Rajah from Delhi

06-14-2004 13:07:15
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Mr. Fern, should you have the opertunity I would like you please to inform Mr. Clipper that his friend Rajah will miss his sporting comments always with the grinning symbol behind them. I was looking forward most enthusiasticlly to telling him about my vacation and hot sause making in his home place in the down south.
Rajah

JB

06-14-2004 11:52:46
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Leaves me with a really sad feeling. Wish there were something I could do, but know life's not fair, and this is probably a good example of it. Takes a lot of the fun out of reading the posts. Dang! jb

what?

06-14-2004 11:45:51
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Letter from Clipper.........
"I was banned based on a ISP signal coming from my computer which happened to have a 17 year old computer whiz playing the keys."

i thought it was his mother in-law all the time--

mud

Burrhead

06-14-2004 13:44:50
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I vote we shoot the MIL.

toolman

06-14-2004 12:04:09
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well he said that on RON PA,s site the day after he got banned here too, and somebody asked him if as he claims he was sitting in the hospital from 2pm to 1130 that night how did he manage to post at 2.51 and6.51 on rons site and whoever noticed this also noticed statements in his posts about talerbans, we asked for an explantion over there and none was forthcomming, that would of went a long way if he had explained that, my posts were deleted along with others, DD blamed me an rhouston, if you think i was upset your right, i don,t like to blamed for something i didn,t do , i get into enough trouble on my own, i don,t hold any ill feelings toward clipper or anybody, but to claim you weren,t around and it was someone else on your computer and then go on another site and make posts that were clippers , leaves alot of questions unanswered .

A Nonny Moose

06-14-2004 12:53:52
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Personnally I have no issues with ole Clip and,I agree he is a "fun guy" and "live wire" and may well be a fine upstanding member of society.However due to knowing some cyber history on other sites,I find his explanation of the circumstances unbelievable and the ongoing "Pity Party" quite sad.Sometimes"Everbody but Johnny is NOT out of step".Clipper,old chief,you appear to be a fine and good man,but PLEASE..it's no shame to get some"help" for your issues.Without,they will only tend to increase,old friend.I've been there.

mud

06-14-2004 12:22:48
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well i aint sayin nothing about it.

he was fair with me, and i'm a dam old fool. he is a funny guy, and he brought many a chuckle to me on days that were hard to laugh about much of anything.
going to miss his antics. i wish him well.

mud

toolman

06-14-2004 12:28:20
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yes i do too mud, i liked him and had lots of fun, but maybe he could of answered the questions about the time and there wouldn,t have been any misunderstanding, i have seen this same letter on three different sites now and when somebody asks , he ends with same reply, it,s wrong to blame kim or folks here or people from tales.

Clod

06-14-2004 16:28:28
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Well..I didnt jump to coclusions on your guilt or innocence. I had no way of knowing the facts.So I didnt post a comment. But you here just admitted that your computer was used to do the deed. The lady cut off your IP . I think that was the right thing to do untill the problem is solved even if you were not the one who did the deleteing .If your gun was shooting folks then your gun would be confiscated temporarily at the least. I am happy the lady does have controls on this kind of thing. I never knew you could delete anothers post..Bur if I did I would have not been tempted. I know that most PC /IP can be traced. But if you did none of the deleting then you should jerk that kid up by the stacking swivel and show him the road. That being done then I would ask the lady publicly to reconsider you as a poster here.By the way Clipper,Thanks for serving our country.

Kim

06-14-2004 16:47:26
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Thank you Clod, for defending a Lady's honor.

You hit the nail on the head. There was an attack coming from Clippers computer so I blocked it. I tried to talk to the forum members about it first - even my messages were deleted! So obviously I had to act quickly.

After I fixed the "delete" problem (where anyone could delete a message), the block was removed. No one is blocked from posting here.

I resent Clippers comments about me in his message. They aren't true and it wasn't necessary to get nasty towards me.

Thanks for listening,
Kim

Clipper

06-14-2004 23:58:12
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Kim how do figger my letter damaged your honor? At any rate....I certainly agree that you did the right thing with the "blocking". As far as the "banning" part....for future reference....ya might want to include a specific time period.Overkill is your option...it is YOUR Forum dear lady. Assumptions are not always clear and totally right are they?Have a good one.

Regards....Clipper

JB

06-14-2004 17:34:31
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Kim, thank's for the explanation. Gives us a different look to the situation. I'll make no further comments about it, except it looks like next move's up to Clipper, & hope he decides to live and let live.

Your's is not an easy task, but we thank you for providing this shade tree and rocking chairs.



TB

06-14-2004 17:39:41
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He seems to be trying to get through but just quit cant make it.


Clod

06-14-2004 18:09:15
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To the nice lady up there who runs this board.I am happy there is someone who kept the decient folks a place to communicate.I saw other boaards be taken over by lawless types who cared for nothing but their own inflated ego. Besides.I peck on this keyboard with one finger.Somebody deleted my long tribute to Ray Charles.I am a redneck and seldom do I speak well of black celebrities. Ha ha ha!

toolman

06-14-2004 19:31:18
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your a good guy clod, id be proud to call you my friend any day.

JB

06-14-2004 18:02:04
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Lordy, lordy! I read'em and now don't know what to think! It is all too much for the likes of me, so you all have a good'un. I'm gonna go read a book!

Aprille

06-15-2004 11:25:05
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I actually have to side with the Clip ster on this one..I too was kicked off a Website because the Site owner's MOM said that I erased posts of hers( Her mom did some kind of complaining thingie and posted stuff..) So..the girl who ran it thought I deleted her mom's posts but the fact is only someone who is a manager or assistant on MSN sites can do that..I was falsely accused and kicked out..this site HAS a lil delete button..which I refuse to "touch" given my previous experience..I don't ever think that any of the good ol boys..or girls..on here would do that kinda crap..Much huggs all around!

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