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| Texas
06-18-2004 04:22:43
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Ok Im mad as a wet hen. Whats with todays women? Im talking about the twenty to thirty something bunch.Yesterday I stopped at a local store to grab a cold drink and some snuff and as I was approaching the door I noticed a young woman heading that way too. I opened the door an waited a few seconds for her to enter. She stopped and looked up at me and said "Do I look handicapped? I am PERFECTLY ABLE to open this door on my own" Well I just stood there wondering what the fine was for taking her over my knee an spanking her good for being so dang impertinent. After a second or so of fantasizing about that whippin I replied "Im sorry maam but its the way I was raised" Apparantly the word "maam" is now an extremely vulgar term. She lit into me about not being old and not at all deserving of the term maam. I let her rant a moment and then politly told her that she was correct, she was NOT deserving of the term maam as other unspoken terms would fit her much better and further more who ever married her deserved a damn medal. Im sorry but opening doors and calling a woman maam (regardless of age)was beat into me at an early age. Am I wrong? This isnt the first time Ive been dragged over the coals about this.
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| Jimbob
06-18-2004 14:44:13
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| Unfortunately, many young girls have fallen from a time of grace in the past. They are viewed as a piece of meat by their same age peers. In fact, many men are wanting women to be the bread winners. These 'men' can explain it to God when their time comes forth.
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| Maggie/TX
06-18-2004 12:28:14
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No darlin' you weren't wrong to hold the door open for her and call her maam. You were showing good manners/Texan gentlemanly behavior/respect for women. If she could not understand that, then she was obviously raised by wolves. Maybe the term for a female wolf would suit her better than maam. :)
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| Stormie
06-18-2004 11:22:05
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| I am a 28 and it is sad to say that this generation and the ones behind me(with the exception of the ladies here, of course) have not been raised to be be ladies. Maybe it has something to do with everyone being so busy or maybe it is because the role modles (Hollywood) are not very lady like. We were taught to always say "please, thank you, sir and ma'am" I think those words show a lot of respect and you will get a lot of it in return. You did nothing wrong. Real ladies love to be treated as such. Keep doing what your doing. Their are not enough of you around! My grandma told me when I was 21 there is only one place that you don't have to act like a lady. I will let you figure that one out for yourself :>)
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| EngineerJoyce
06-18-2004 09:38:11
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| Easy there, Texas. You must be two-stepping in the wrong circles to have encountered that many women of the wrong persuasion (rude persuasion, that is). I'm 32 (so nobody has to guess) and hold the door open, appreciate having the door held open, and regularly use such antiquated terms as Please, Thank You, Ma'am, and Sir. I even Ma'am my 5 year-old daughter who has in turn begun to "Thank you ma'am" her 1.5 year old sister. I apologize that you have had the misfortune to deal with so may rude and inconsiderate women. Just do your part to ramain so nice as to ROCK THEIR WORLD! and to keep manners as the cornerstone to society. Hopefully one day you will politely hold open the door to a polite lady who will appreciate being called ma'am - and fall madly in love with you! Thank you, Sir, for keeping the "polite" in Polite Society. EngineerJoyce: the woman in a man's world who still appreciates when they remember she's a lady!
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| jfky
06-18-2004 09:58:42
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and can work cattle, roll hay, fix fence, etc sometimes better than her husband. Oh well gonna go and watch the chances of rain linger as the hay needs a cutting.
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| EngineerJoyce
06-18-2004 10:15:12
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| hay
06-18-2004 07:03:33
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most ladies that i have seen really do appreciate a kind act such as holding the door or carrying heavy objects, but a certain amount think they are the equal of any man and don't want any help at all. i believe most of this attitude came from the way they were raised and maybe just lack of manners. i do have to agree that some of the certain age bracket that you mentioned does seem to have more attitude problems than others. the more mature ladies seem to be the most pleased with a kind gesture. it still never hurts to be kind to everyone anyway.
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| Indydirtfarmer
06-18-2004 07:02:28
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Never...NEVER let anyone make you feel bad because you exersized good manners, or "civil behavior". Your "modern woman" is the one with the problem.
I believe that women are every bit as capable as men. I do also believe that there are certain things that men should do out of respect for women. They aren't meant to be "belittling". Like all of us, my mother was a woman. That woman you ran into MIGHT be someones mother some day. (If anyone can stand her......Some people use personality for birth control) My father taught me to treat ALL women with respect, if for no other reason, for my mother sake. That has always been good enough for me.
I wonder what her reaction would have been, had you just let the door swing shut in her face? John
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| ~Lenore
06-18-2004 06:33:40
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Probably one of those girls who swallowed the women's lib line.
I always thank males or females who hold the door for me and give them a great big smile, too. I specially thank the young guys in hopes of encouraging them to keep up the practice.
I personally hold the door for the person behind me no matter what age or sex. I just cannot slam a door in someone's face like that. (Except for unwanted salepeople and proslytizers who come to my front door) hehehe
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| Patria
06-18-2004 08:10:35
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| -"Probably one of those girls who swallowed the women's lib line."- Yeap..while atempting to liberate women, too:-)
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| SusanMo
06-18-2004 06:24:07
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Well not all of us are like that one. I for one appreciate it when a man opens a door for me or asks if I need help out. Just chalk it up to one of those women libbers.
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| SusieQ
06-18-2004 05:44:52
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I think I have to agree with you here Texas, good manners, values, and morals seem to have disappeared with the past 3 generations, see it all the time....I however: appreciate any assistance with a door, and always say "Thank You"
I do this for delivery folks, with their hands full wheeling a full dolly into a store if I am coming out.....Common courtesy, that is something that all should practice, I thank anyone who does a kindness, and be grateful there are those who think the same way....I am Woman, and love it.
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| Alias
06-18-2004 05:19:43
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| Hey I can remember walking around the car to hold the door for my date and others, such as mom, aunts, and the neighbor lady I drove to market. Now, I hold the car door for my wife. In public places I hold the door for nearly everyone. Most people politely say thanks. Texas, you just came upon a B!tcH, with a bad hair day. Next time, treat her like a man, close the door in her face and give her a body slam. that'll plumb er up.
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| Dave Smith
06-18-2004 04:50:39
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Should have asked her if she was raised in an orpanage. She didn't have any parents to teach her respect for others or herself.
Dave <*)))><
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| Les
06-18-2004 04:41:10
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| ROTFLMAO!
06-18-2004 04:45:44
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| Les
06-18-2004 05:04:41
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You crack me up, too, Joe. I'm not sure what that says about the two of us!
";^)
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| New-Gen
06-18-2004 04:29:06
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Whoa!! If all the women down there start acting like that southern hospitality is gonna get a bad name!!
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| ron,ar
06-18-2004 04:29:05
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found ya one of them yuppies did ya? I bet she didn't give you a big "He!! yeah" either.
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| Joe Dirt
06-18-2004 04:28:54
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My thoughts on this are the same as my post below about secretaries.
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| Joe Dirt
06-18-2004 04:34:09
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And yes, I hold doors open all the time. Not just for women, for everyone! Also the way I was raised. I assume she was one of those people that would complain if she was hung with a new rope.
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| RickyB
06-18-2004 04:28:54
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you are not wrong.I hold the door open for women all the time and haven't ran across one like you did.that's just the way some of us were raised.
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| Cindi
06-18-2004 06:20:36
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Alias already posted my response. Don't change a thing. Most NORMAL women appreciate a gentleman.
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| New-Gen
06-18-2004 08:50:46
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I agree, but I really don't think it's gender specific--ALL people appreciate good manners--at least that's the way I was taught.
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| Patria
06-18-2004 06:32:13
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| Aprille the Indignant!
06-18-2004 08:51:05
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I am a very modern woman and not a woman's libber..like it's a bad thing to want same pay for the same frickin job..BUT..the key is that most of these so called MOdern women have never EVER been around gentlemen..so try to keep that in mind before you blame the MODERN woman..it may just be the MODERN man..
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| Judy in IN
06-18-2004 09:31:57
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Texas Honey, Don't you pay that female no never-mind. A REAL woman appreciates having the door held open. I thank anyone that holds the door for me, and do the same whenever it's appropriate. Does anyone else see the women's lib movement as a step backwards for women? We just seemed to end up with ANOTHER job, and our children are raised by strangers...day care....what have you. It's so sad....
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| EngineerJoyce
06-18-2004 10:08:25
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| You are right, Judy. As with everything, the extremists have ruined a lot of stuff. The extremist women have taken "equal pay for equal job" and turned it into "everybody be rude to everybody". Aprille, I do appreciate the fact that I have been able to provide for my family when needed, which wouldn't have been easy 50 years ago. But it hits a nerve when a woman says "I'm the same as a man" YOU ARE NOT! Why would God have made both if we were the SAME? intellectually, yes, physically, no. My hubby and I do the same work on the farm, but he does more because the girls need that mommy time and cuddling - not in a man's personality (that and I'm a wimp compared to him!). We ARE different, and made that way to compliment one another. My hubby and I do as many things as possible together for several reasons: 1. so we can spend more time together; and 2. our thought processes and solutions to problems balance so that we get the problem solved quicker, easier, and better. Furthermore, Judy, I suspect that the lack of manners and responsibility exhibited by most of this younger generation is probably due to child warehousing (day care). Where Children are treated as a burden instead of the treasure they truly are! EngineerJoyce: stepping down from the soapbox...
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| Les
06-18-2004 10:51:15
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| Patria
06-18-2004 17:14:28
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I too, agree, but I won't ever be convinced that just because women joined the work forces, [for several reasons being valid or not, pc or not],
their children will grow up to be the skum of the earth. Now there is no way back. Girls are being encouraged by their parents, schools and society in general to study hard in order to be able to take the skillet by the handle, to take charge if need be. I guess the message went through..
Now women are even having fun with their share of the big sweet cake, while at the same time showing their kids how to make it in these modern days, but it takes lotsa love and plenty of communication. No way back, just deal with it. History repeats itself, we just gotta be patient.
Patria
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